An In Depth Apt/Lofts In Chicago

This is Day 212 of the Slow Home Project and we need you to join us in our quest to evaluate the design quality of houses in nine North American cities in nine months.

It’s Thursday, August 19, 2010 on the Slow Home site and we have lot’s to do today! For today’s “In Detail” episode, we are reviewing bathroom spaces in apartment/ loft projects and all of our examples were from the Chicago area.

We need you to look through the Slow Home Project plans from Chicago and post examples of what you feel are both good and bad bathroom designs from the apartment/loft units, as well as your comments as to why. When you are ready, you can click on the player below to watch John and Matthew’s tutorial on both good and bad bathroom design in Chicago’s apartment/ loft projects!

We have to say that in general the bathroom design in Chicago is pretty good – the main issues seem to be in three areas:

1. Poor location in plan – the bathroom is not located in both a private and an accessible location (right next to the kitchen for example would be considered accessible but not private).

2. Too much floor space – the bathroom is too big relative to the size of the unit.

3. Too many bathrooms – do we need a guest bathroom in a small, one bedroom unit?

To zoom in on the examples from the tutorial, click on the images below.

1. This is a well designed bathroom layout. Both the master bath and main bath are well laid out. Note the vestibule location of the the main bathroom in plan – this is both private and accessible.

2. The main bathroom is well designed but in a bad location in plan – it is too far from the second bedroom and basically in the entry. The master bath is poorly laid out with the toilet in line with the door and no space to stand in front of the sink.

3. This bathroom is badly located in plan – it is well laid out but open to the kitchen so it is not private.

4. Both bathrooms in this plan are well laid out, but the main bath is again in a poor location in line with the kitchen.

5. This bathroom is poorly laid out and the 45 degree angles and addition of the laundry make it impossible to create a functional arrangement.

6. These bathrooms have too much square footage for an apartment/ loft. Note the main bath is almost the same size as the second bedroom.

7. This bathroom is well located in plan – note the private but accessible condition – but has too much floor space.

8. This unit does not need a guest bathroom – it is a 2 bedroom unit and should be designed so one bathroom acts as both the guest bath and main bath.

9. This one bedroom unit is seriously compromised by the addition of a guest bathroom. Note how the door to the bath almost hits the opposite wall and the kitchen is tiny to accommodate the unnecessary bathroom.

10. This bathroom is only accessible if you walk through the master bedroom and closet. This would be awkward for guests to use and this condition should be avoided.

11. This is a rambling bath layout that is more a circulation route rather than a functional or efficient design.

We look forward to seeing you tomorrow to vote for who you think should win the Slow Home Award for Best Apartment/ Loft Project in Chicago! Also, we will be posting the best Design Projects from Wednesday and announcing the Slow Homer of the Week!

  • nicole

    http://www.eco18.com/pdfs/Unit_11t.pdf
    Great bath… good location (private but accessible location), good storage, appropriate number
    the second sink in the ensuite is questionable, but is still ok

    http://www.ecologiclofts.com/plans/unit09.html
    _not so great location – have to head towards the entry (not so private location)
    _extra sink not necessary

  • Steve in Van

    On the bathroom redundancy question … I think the primary question is, How many bedrooms are in regular use?

    If the resident(s) use just the master bedroom, it’s great to have a master ensuite and a guest bath, if space allows. If there’s a guest bedroom, the extra bath should be full, but there’s probably no need for another 1/2 bath.

    But if both bedrooms are regularly used — for parents and kids, or adults sharing the unit — it might be appropriate for both bedrooms to have an ensuite bath. A additional 1/2 bath for guests would then be appropriate, if space allows.

    The redundancy question is answered, then, on the basis of Use not Number of bedrooms. IMO.

  • Terri

    Steve in Van,
    I agree with you completely!

  • Franco

    I agree with Steve in Van’s rationalization for how to approach the bathroom redundancy question. I would also add that the size of the space and the location of rooms/spaces can play a crucial role in deciding whether an apartment requires 2 or 2.5 baths. If the bedrooms are far apart and removed from the living space, then 2.5 baths may be warranted, however if the bathrooms are easily accessible by both bedrooms and the living area then 2 baths seems more logical.

    Joffrey Tower in the ‘loop’ has some interesting plans:
    http://www.joffreytower.com/floorplan.htm

    06 tier • Floors 17-33 has a fairly well designed bathroom (a little wider than normal, but generally a great layout) that serves nicely as both a guest bath and ensuite. My only criticism would be that the bathroom is a little far from the living areas, but overall as I said, a nice layout.

    In this same building, 05 tier • Floors 17-33 has horrible bathrooms. The ensuite is too big and there is a lot of wasted space in front of the toilet and sinks. As well both bathrooms are immediately adjacent to each other and located at the opposite end of the apartment from the living area. These bathrooms work for the residents, but are not so well for guests. This is a case where a half bath located closer to the living area would enhance usability of the plan.

  • Terri

    This unit is a large one bedroom with a 4-pce master plus a powder room. Both bathrooms seem appropriate because of the unit’s shape and the placement of the kitchen. The plumbing has been centralized and the layout of each bathroom is efficient, given their dimensions.
    http://haberdashersquarelofts.com/floor-plans/concrete-floor-plans/ Look at unit 8

  • Terri

    This is an apt. Catherine Taney posted with a score of 19/20. It’s a large one-bedroom with a 4-piece master and a guest powder room. The location of the central kitchen necessitated the guest bathroom. The plumbing is centralized and each bathroom seems well-proportioned.

    Unit 8 at http://haberdashersquarelofts.com/floor-plans/concrete-floor-plans/

  • Terri

    On first glance this looks like an efficient way to plan a bathroom for a one-bedroom apt. However, there is no way that this bathroom is usable as drawn–there’s no space between the tub and vanity for a person to walk!
    http://www.watertonresidential.com/Apartments/module/floorplan_organizer/floorplan_image%5Burl%5D/4a7b187051d19902.jpg/floorplan_scale%5Bvalue%5D/1

  • Terri

    Here’s a two-bedroom unit with an efficient main bathroom accessible to the second bedroom and living but also private.
    http://www.winthropclub.com/floorplans/Unit07.gif

  • Tara

    http://www.1600museumpark.com/pdf/res05.pdf
    Here’s a unit where I liked the bathrooms. I especially like the placement of the bathrooms in this plan. The second bath is located closet to the two bedrooms, but it is also in an accessible location for guests. Considering the earlier discussion about use, I wonder if a powder room would be useful in this situation. There are three bedrooms total, so I think the unit would be attractive for a small family. In that case, the second bathroom would likely be quite full of kids things, and in that case a powder room may be beneficial here.

  • Frances Grant-Feriancek

    Terri,
    Wow, that one bedroom Waterton plan is so bad. Not only is there no room to enter between the tub and the vanity but try sitting on that toilet!
    I wonder how much that unit costs, because an investment in a bathroom reorganization would be necessary to make it livable.

  • Grace Coulter

    Hi everyone, been pretty sick this week but it looks like I missed out on a great project.

    I also wanted to mention although i missed the design exercise yesterday i heard a heritage planner speak the other day about the embodied energy going into buildings. When you convert a building (although there are issues with changing a rental building into condos and reducing affordable housing stock), the major cost becomes the labour at 75 percent while supplies come in at 25. This is obviously drastically reduced from the material costs of a new building. The heritage planner also said for a building to recoup the energy put into building it, it takes about 60 years. There is something to be said for keeping this 25 years old building and renovating it because it needs another 35 years of life before the resources put into making it are worth it.

    Onto today,
    Bathrooms with lines of sight into kitchen is a personal major issue for me!
    Steve in Van, good rationalization on bathrooms. I think as developers you need to be very careful to design things that suite your market.

    I need to do a bit of research tonight and add some plans to the database but for now i have pulled some posted by others.

    This one is almost there as it is functional for both guests and occupants however that sight line into the kitchen is a problem.
    http://www.2555northclark.com/pdfs/2555-floor-plans-unit-02.pdf

    Sight lines right into the dining space for the main bath.

    http://www.magellandevelopment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/shoreham-floor-plan-unit-11-two-bed.pdf

    Look at the trek bedroom 2 has to take to get into the main bath!

    http://www.150superiorchicago.com/floorplan-A4.html

  • BradW

    Heck, I am just thankful we have indoor plumbing! :)

  • Mid America Mom

    Anyone from the YoChicago site on? Welcome!

    Mid America Mom

  • Andrew

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    I think this is an example of an apartment with good bathrooms. The master bath has a good layout and the second bathroom is both private and accessible. With the second bath, it can be easily accessed by both guests and those who use the second bedroom, and to enter this bathroom from the second bedroom you don’t need to pass through any principal living spaces. I’m not sure if this bathroom is the best place for a walk-in-closet and accessing the washer/dryer here might be a bit awkward, but other than those issues I think this bathroom is pretty decent.

  • amagin

    i need that book it is out of stock. great video guys keep preaching