An In Depth Look At Apt/Lofts In Vancouver

This is Day 170 of the Slow Home Project and we need you to join us in our quest to evaluate the design quality of houses in nine North American cities in nine months.


For today’s “In Detail” segment we are analyzing study spaces in apartment/loft projects. All of our examples have been pulled from the Vancouver area. Many times, study spaces in apartment/ loft projects are falsely labeled. Be wary of rooms that are labeled as “study”, “den”, “tech center” or “office” because more often than not, they are actually dark closets and not appropriately designed as places to work!

In a Slow Home, a study has to have natural light, a logical place for a desk and have a good relationship to other principal rooms. More information about what makes a good study space in a Slow Home can be found in our “What’s Wrong With This House?” book – available for sale on the right hand side of our web site.

For today’s discussion, we need you to look through the apartment/ loft projects in the Vancouver area and find examples of what you think are both good and bad study spaces in apartment/ lofts, post them to the site along with your comments. We look forward to your feedback!

When you are ready, click on the player below to watch John and Matthew’s tutorial on study spaces and see both good and bad examples. Click on the examples below to learn more about these good and bad study spaces.

1. This is a good study space – if only they could all be like this! Take note of the natural light, the logical place for the desk and the clear relationship to the other principal rooms.

2. This is not really a study – the furniture layout places the desk in the corner of the dining room – making the buyer think there is a study when really it is shared space.

3. Be careful when the word “flex” is used on sales brochures – “flex” really means “not a great space for anything in particular”. Here, there is room for a desk, but the sliding doors to the bedroom reduce available wall space and the adjacent living room is small and too tight for furniture.

4. This is the classic falsely labeled “den”. This den is nothing more than a dark closet at the entry, not a place to work. This is the developer’s way of raising the listing price without adding any functional livability to the unit – buyer beware!

5. Again, be wary of words like “tech nook” – this is nothing more than a closet with the doors removed. Who wants to work in a hallway?

6. Here is another marketing trick to avoid – the study has its own room and has a window, but the window is not to the outside, but faces an interior hall. Again, this room will be dark, stuffy and unpleasant to work.

7.This example is when the idea of a “den” gets out of control – this is now just a larger storage closet with room for a sofa – there has been no improvement to the quality of the space – just more square footage added.

8. This is the extreme of a falsely labeled “study” space at the high end of the apartment/loft market. This unit is large and expensive, but there is still no natural light in this den – and it is still poorly located right next to the entry – it is just a super-sized version of our 4th example.

Make sure to visit the site tomorrow – we will be posting our review of your plans from the Design Project from yesterday as well as voting for the best apartment/ loft projects in Vancouver – and of course announcing the Slow Homer of the Week!

  • nicole

    Sage unit B- as reviewed by Jennifer
    http://www.sageliving.ca/_pdf/Sage_Floorplans.pdf

    Lots of space within the ‘flex’ room for a desk, but unfortunately it is located directly in the circulation path of the kitchen. No natural light. No points here.

  • ReneP

    http://www.ledmac.com/century/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/planB.pdf

    Century Building – Plan B- 1 Bedroom plus Den – This apartment actually advertises itself in the title as a one bedroom ‘plus’ den, when, like in the bad study space examples found above, it is nothing ore than a storage space without windows right next to the front entrance. This apartment does have a nice alcove off of the bedroom that could probably be used as a den/study area (very similar to Plan B of the Mantra we looked at earlier). Still, the Century is selling a storage area as a den when it will never be used as such.

    http://www.concordpacific.com/mariner/pdf/mariner_fp_suite03.pdf

    The Mariner – Suite 3 – Two Bedroom and Den – Now this is a nice study area – not only does the den have an outside window, it also has interior windows, allowing this space privacy, but also connecting it with the living area. Obviously the den was carefully considered here and not added as just a marketing tool to entice buyers.

  • Franco

    Spectrum 1- Suites 05 and 09 http://www.spectrumdigger.com/spectrum-1-floor-plans.html

    These plans are almost mirrors of each other( with 05 having a SE den exposure and 09 having a NW den exposure). In these plans, the study space boasts both interior and exterior windows, providing great natural light to work in. The space has a door for access and is directly off the kitchen/living space. This is a well designed and practical space. More impressively these suites are around 680 sq. ft- great design.

    Other suites in the Spectrum buildings boast reasonable sized dens/study spaces, with good lighting but poor placement
    Such an example is Spectrum 3- Suite 08 http://www.spectrumdigger.com/spectrum-3-floor-plans.html
    Although this space has both interior and exterior windows, it’s location is concerning. Access to this space is off the end of the galley kitchen. It would seem as if access to the den was an after thought. My other concern with this space is that the exterior is at a unique angle, this may pose some difficulties when placing furniture, especially in such a small space, that is also visible from the living area.

  • JPod

    [img]poorstudyspace.jpg[/img]

    This study area is terrible. It’s stuffed into the end of a hallway, and the door to the storage area opens into the space. There is also no natural light. It would be a depressing place to do any kind of work or reading. I don’t think it would be a space that would be utilized as a study space at all, even if a desk were there.

  • Terri

    Unit 301 from the Scena was one of my finds for a bad study space. (There are so many to choose from!)
    http://www.thind.ca/thescena/The_Scena_Third_Level_Units.pdf

  • Terri

    This was the best den I found in the apts. I reviewed:
    http://www.concordpacific.com/mariner/pdf/mariner_fp_suite06.pdf

    (same building as one of the other good dens posted above–ReneP)

  • Terri

    John & Matthew;
    Re: a study space in a hallway is always bad. (“Who wants to work in a hall?”) Are all halls totally bad? Some have very little traffic and are adjacent to windows; others are long, dark tunnels.

  • Mid America Mom

    Terri – I like it when there is a skylight or window or frosted door with light in the room behind for a hallway.

    *Sorry I am not responding to this exercise. I found a few more condo plans that I am posting. Not looking to be green so far :( *

    Mid America Mom

  • Kyle B

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    The first plan I looked at was from the Jameson House. I gave this plan a Slow Home Test score of 13, which is only as high as it is due to the great location and environmental performance of the building. I docked marks for entry, organization, kitchen, dining, bathrooms, and study (I believe with over 900sqft, there is space).

    The second plan I looked at was from L’hermitage en ville. I gave this plan a Slow Home Test score of 18, losing only 2 points for environmental performace (I found little sustainable features on the website).

  • Mid America Mom

    Ok- Just posted a one bed plan that had a DEN from a new urban type of development – Morgan Crossing. Love the videos by the way and not done posting or scoring yet.

    As you will see via the link – http://www.morgancrossing.ca/media/Focus_Plan%20B2.pdf this “den” really is like a storage closet without a door that happens to face toward open lighted space :(

  • Kyle B

    Whoops! I think my files were too big to load. Here are the web addresses for both plans.

    http://www.jamesonfoster.com/documents/jamesonPlanE_O.pdf
    http://www.lhvancouver.com/pdf/lhermitage_handout_planA.pdf

  • Kyle B

    I apologize, I misunderstood the directions! I now have found a good and bad example of a study. Simply enough, it was from the same websites that I evaluated the floor plans.

    First, the good example:
    http://www.lhvancouver.com/pdf/lhermitage_handout_planD.pdf
    Here, the study (labelled “den”) has a large bay window, bringing in an abundance of natural light. It is also easily accessible from the living room. This would be my favorite room in the house were it my place!

    Second, the bad example:
    http://www.jamesonfoster.com/documents/jamesonPlanY.pdf
    In this plan, the study (also labelled “den”) is not only strangely located down the hall where one would think to find storage, but there is not a single window, thus bringing in no natural light. In the words of Matthew, “it is a closet”.

  • Tayler

    [img]thewesbrooksuite3.jpg[/img]

    I looked at The Wesbrook Suite 3 [uploaded] (http://www.thewesbrook.com/). It has both a study and den with natural light in Both. However, I am not sure why one would need BOTH. I have a feeling that the study would end up becoming a storage area or that the den would be used as a (very) small bedroom. Seems awkward. If you owned this would you use both for work spaces?

    The second one is from Ginger over in Gastown (http://www.gingerliving.com/pdf/Ginger_flat_c2.pdf). This “Flex” room could be used with a small desk but it has no natural light. However, it is removed from the rest of the living space. Seems like a way to use the random space though.

  • Therese

    [img]themarkfloor30plan2.jpg[/img][img]donovanplane5.jpg[/img]

    First plan I looked at was Plan 2 from the Mark condo developments. They had the perfect example of terrible den/study design as you’ll see in the first picture. There is absolutely no natural light that can get in to the den.

    The second plan I found was plan E5 from the Donovan Developments. I quite like this lay out. It’s almost like they were reading the slow home manual as they designed their layouts! The den is well proportioned to the size of the apartment and also has windows so a lot of natural light can come in to the room.

  • Therese

    Oops, looks like there’s two pictures for the first layout I was talking about. They’re both the same. The second picture is also depicting Plan E5 from the donovan plan. Just making sure that was clear.

  • Joshua

    This is a special plan that not only has one bad Study/den but 2. Let’s take first the obvious issues with the “Flex” room on the right. First and foremost it has no access to any natural light, second it is long a skinny making fitting a desk in there actually quite difficult. Which brings us to the second Den which has natural light, but once again we see this double use of the light for the den as well as the bedroom. Whether you like this concept or not the den also has absolutely no room for a desk of any kind due to the 3 walls that have doors. I reality this den i more like a bad hallway that allows for a lack of privacy to the bedroom. So for a floor plan with 2 dens, I see owners being forced to use the back of the living room for a desk.

  • Joshua

    [img]museestudy.tiff[/img]

    Opps, forgot the floor plan, here you go.

  • Joshua

    [img]museestudy.jpg[/img]

    Sorry, see if this works…

  • Andrew

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    The study here has a lot of potential. It has several positive features, including the fact that it receives plenty of natural light and it has a nice view past the balcony. But unfortunately this study can only be accessed by going through the kitchen, which is a serious issue and could make access to the study difficult. It’s almost as if the room was originally designed as a breakfast nook but in the end it was labeled as a den. And if you wanted a lot of privacy in the study then this space would be a problem.

  • Amanda

    http://www.cooperspointe.com/suite_01.html
    This is a bad example of a study. There are no windows to let in natural light and it is situated in the back corner of the apartment with one door leading to a hallway. The shape of the room is odd due to the space that the front closet takes up. This creates wasted space in the top left corner because there’s not much you can do with that area but through in a chair or two that probably won’t even be used; or this space could be used for storage.

  • Amanda

    I honestly tried my best to find an apartment with a good study but because the apartments in Vancouver are so small and limited for space, the study was usually eliminated. I found that the apartments with a study gave priority to the bedrooms and the living area for these spaces always got the windows. Therefore, if a study was incorporated it was usually not done well. The only time the study was near a window was if the apartment was a corner unit or a penthouse.

  • Terri

    M.A.M.
    I think that den that you posted is okay, especially if the living room exposure is south. Of course, it’s a little small, and maybe not private enough. It all depends on how much time the occupant spends at the desk. Someone like me, who works from home, needs more space for files, bookshelves and lots of natural light. But someone who just surfs the net for a couple of hours every other night or so doesn’t need more than what you’ve found, wouldn’t you agree?

  • Kcull

    [img]pporexample.jpg[/img]

    This is the classic example of a poor study area. Although it is a good sized space (particularly because the entire condo is quite small) the study space is tucked in an inside area with no windows and thus no natural light.

  • Terri

    Tayler,
    I think the reason the Wesbrook plan you posted has two study spaces is because this project is built on the UBC Endowment Lands and is marketed to people either studying or working on the campus. Anyone who plans on sharing with another student or faculty member would probably want their own separate study space.

  • frazer

    [img]denv.jpeg[/img]

    Here’s a good example of a closet called a den. When it is designed this way the den/study is a waste of space since it is very likely that it will never be used. I find I prefer to take my laptop and just sit on the couch in the living room where it is very open and connected to other spaces and people. For this reason I would argue that a good study is a spot near the dining room/kitchen (which is convenient for snacking too…)

  • Mid America Mom

    Terri you have a point if someone just surfing for that plan I posted…

    Where is MollyK these days??

    Mid America Mom

  • bstone52

    [img]badstudy.jpg[/img]

    This design is brutal – the “Multi-purpose” room is located as far away from natural light as possible, also alienating the user from the rest of the space. The design does a terrible job of defining space and leaves the purpose vague. The space is awkwardly sized and could be mistaken for a small bedroom. Uninviting and discouraging use.

  • Grace Coulter

    arugh broekn interent last night to I was not able to post yesturday. Very interesting discussion thus far. As a student I don’t beleive I have ever lived in a residence with a good study space. after browsing through a few of the higest rated slow home I realized that designers were having serious challenges getting good study spaces into apartment lofts.
    I think this example is pretty awful. While the home was rated slow overall the study is very poorly down. its stuck in the back of the unit, with no room to move about and no light. This is a storage room that is being labeled a study like John and Matthew pointed out.
    http://www.sageliving.ca/_pdf/Sage_Floorplans.pdf

  • John

    Reminds me of some of the Gilda Radner/Emily Litella skits from the old SNL…outboard dens and internal study spaces are Vancouver developer-speak for enclosed balconies and in-suite storage rooms. At $600 to $2,200/saleable square foot, the push is for every square inch to be presented as habitable area, despite the intended explicit use for these spaces as set out in the Zoning Bylaw. You’ve passed judgment on the design of these components without understanding how they came into being in the first place.

  • Ashley P

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    This ‘flex’ room violates almost all requirements for a Slow Home study. Although the design is simple it is extremely small! Also there is no source of natural light and the doorway leads to a dark hallway rather than an open brightly lit living space. This also means that it is not true clear relationship with any other rooms in the house.

  • Ashley P

    [img]study1.jpg[/img]

    Here is the floor plan in JPEG form. I didn’t realize it was bmp. Hopefully that works!

  • Ashley P

    [img]study2.jpg[/img]

    This study is a far better planned study. Although the size could use some work there is a large window facing the backyard that would let in a lot of natural light and possibly a good view. The study door leads into the living room which flows into the rest of the house. Although there is no suggested outline for a desk I believe it could be place either on the far wall or looking out the window. If only it was slightly larger this study would be ideal.